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KGB
23-01-2006, 00:39
159 is a charismatic car...and after Fiat Auto had spent an amount in R&D for 159 bigger than that of BMW in 3 e90...you have to consider in overall cost even the cost of the industrialization...alfa has line in pomigliano for 180.000 cars max..BMW for 400.000 3 series 4door and Touring only in Germany..if you consider this you find that in overall cost alfa spend more for R&D of 159 than BMW in 3 e90...so that BMW spended more for R&D in 3 series over 159 is a myth...now the alfa 159 line produce at the 67% of their max capacity with the add of sportwagon and rhd versions and the launch in all markets we hope to arrive at 100%...but the alfa prediction is for max production in 2007 that will be the first complete year.Just some other figures alfa 156 sold slightly over 130.000 cars in 2000 that is the 156 record and sold over 100.000 any year between 1998 and 2001...
Many spoke about prices the price gap between 159 and 156 is smaller than that between 155 and 156...the brand image is better than 1997....the distribution is not the best is still 3 times small in sell points than audi or bmw...but is better than we had in 1997...the sportwagon arrives some months from the launch and not after 3 years...the line up is more complete...the product has higher credibility and has all the cards to make better than 156..
As for granduer expect the obvious carisma of both 156 and 159...alfa 159 is a more important car true grandeur...

159 offers the most complete technology pack in it's segment...double wishbone front and multilink rear suspension the higher torsional rigidity in it's segment, the first car in the world with multisplit floorpan, the faster steering wheel in it; segment, the first car with a line up exclusively with dierct injection engines,the first car in the world with passenger mounted knees airbag,the first car in it's segment with double glazed windows, the most sofisticated 4wd with three differential and central torsen-c in it's segment, high cut gearboxes...the best brakes in the segment...high quality interior with high quality material and the only car except luxury makers to offer pieno fiore leather quality trim.....a car that won the former leader the former benchmark in every single handling or energy safety test...a car that has the record of lane change in it;s segment with over 130km/h....cutting edge alfa technology......
Alfa Romeo 159 offer better handling than anything in it's segment but offers also more comfort than a bmw,audi,jag or mb..sounds strange but is a reality...159 with a suspension with major excursion and also a bit softer than a 3 series roll less(1,2 degrees with standard suspension)...and handles better in all situations ...when you can offer more..handling+comfort...why offer less?...

The multisplit technology premium floorpan is the more advanced steel floorpan that exists in the market...50kgr more in a car about the 159 size is nothing to the advantages it offers...and is surely not the result of a compromise is the most high cost floorpan used by a D segment car would cost less use a traditional floorpan...
Regarding the fuel quality..all modern engines are very sensible to fuel quality...just try to dyno a Audi A3 2.0FSI with 95ron and with 98ron fuel...you will not found more than 159hp in alfa and more than 145hp in Audi with 95ron fuel...all the last hi tech engines like the JTS or the FSI direct injection or the valvetronic elctronic valve control have very high compression ratio(about 11:1) and are realy sensible to fuel quality...so you have differences of up to 3% in power and torque and of 3% in consumption...alfa romeo JTS engines and Lexus new V6(like IS250 one that copys JTS alfa stoichiometric direct injection) engines are the only houses with direct injection engines that declare the data and the performance using the 95ron fuel...bmw or audi in order to declare better figures declare them using 98ron and only at the end of their last page they say with small letters that performance and consumption would be worst..that's not fair cause the performance differ sensibly on fuel quality.
For end alfa 159 is the right car(drive it and compare it to 3 series or IS(that is as heavy as 159 sic)) is the best executive compact actually in market maintain tha important aspects of an alfa and adds new like quality passive safety confort thata are very important to approach more customers from brands like bmw,audi or mb.
159 is a midsize car not alfa high end car...the real high end alfa we will see till 2008 and will be a over 4,9m foordoor coupe' with many synergies with maserati updated lwb premium floorpan a direct rival to cars like CLS and Porsche Panamera.

All cars are bigger and heavier in this segment...is not something that effects alfa 159 but all mass produced cars...
Is FWD but handles better than the best RWD car in the segment and offers standard to the high end version the most sofisticated 4wd in the segment...so i really don't understand you...
Most people consider the 159 a masterpiece of design ofcourse there will be person who don;t like it's design...as there are persons that don't like picasso but that doesn't mean that picasso is not the most important of the 20th century...same consideration for 159...that there are few people that don;t like 159 doesn't mean that 159 is not a masterpiece...
Lighter and more compact D segment in todays market with a descent design and mass production is impossible...
Ofcourse you can offer a car with less equipment as BMW or Audi make in Germany and without double glazed windows and have 60-100kgr less from 159 but that's not the point cause most people would prefer a better equiped car than the naked german trim levels of 3 series or A4...and after all double glazed windows is one of the features that put this car appart from the competition...is a sofistication and a premiere for the segment...and alfa i remind you at least in foor door sedans is not what you want to say...what you want your view of alfa is not alfa but more something like lotus that doesn't make 4door cars...in the 80's or cars were more extreme sporty and vulgar...but that's not the alfa's heritage neither the real alfa....
As i said alfa 159 is by far a more real alfa than any other berlina we had seen in the two last decades....

159 handles far better from 3 series...forget their points at the end of mastertest and give a look in what they measure...alfa 159 with a worst power to weight ratio wins all and five the handling and energy safety tests....3 series was the last of 11 cars in skidpad...so i really doesn't understand, you ofcourse the german press wil search to defend their industry...as for the roll...alfa 159 with standard suspension rolls exactly 1,2 degrees less than 3 series and that is a fact and not an impression...is measured!
The handling benchmark is the 159 has better handling better and faster steer with same turning circle.....the miraculous is that combines confort to handling...is really impressive how a car with worst power to weight ratio handles better..but has to do with the suspension scheme and the chassis...

The 159 and Brera was tested by the same person that make the development of the 612 or the quattroporte or the F139 or the Enzo or the Mc12...not from ordinary people...and all are impressed from the way brera handles..brera q4 handles better than a 911 carrera 4...i know that for some is a heavy thing to say...but 911 is not that technical benchmark has only optimized set up the rest is open to argument...after strangely as size 911 is the most similar car to Brera...441cm the Brera 443cm the 911...183cm the Brera 181cm the 911...and both with really short wheelbase...252,5cm the Brera and 235cm the 911....

lfa romeo is not only cars like 75 or Giulietta....but also cars like 1900 or 2000/2600 berlina refined and with Gt character...Alfa is neither lotus neither lamborghini..alfa is not pure sportiness is like her daughterbrand ferrari is sport combined with elegance and sofistication that's what alfa is about from 1910 to 2005...

159 is a real alfa...probably more real alfa than the rwd 75...and that cause alfa have to be for tradition a class benchmark and 75 was surely nice to drive car but in an very old basis(from '72 Alfetta) and poor in all other aspects even the design wasn't at the height's of alfa's tradition...for me 159 is the first real alfa in d segment for years the first complete d segment alfa since Alfetta(alfa 147 is a real alfa a superbe interpretation of alfasud theme)......all alfa's till 2000/2600 berlina had for exaple state of the art quality..and even more recent giulia was sensibly heavier than a BMW 02...just like 159 over 3 e90...many of alfa classics were very heavy cars even compared to the rivals like for example the late 40's version of 6c2500 or even the first mass alfa the 1900...i think that many loose the point what is really alfa...alfa is not only pure sportiness is a way of sofisticated and elegant sportiness and with the recent models alfa return to it's tradition....

Alfa 159 is a sport sedan not a sportcar neither Giulia 4door or 1900 were sportcars what you want an even sportier car...cause 159 is the sportiest sedan in offer in todays market with less weight(even i don;t think that in normal versions weight was a vaint for classic alfa's...usually weigh more than other cars of it's times)...towards uncompromised...alla cars are compromised except supercars and highend luxury lmousines....and surely 159 is the most uncompromised car in it's segment even if it's compromised as all not handmade cars...

No alfa has never been such an evolutionary brand as you present was more a revolutionary brand...see the succession from handmade cars to industrial from 6c2500 to 1900.....the revolution in design that created contrasts in the alfisti from Giulietta to Giulia....the contrast between alfisti between giulia and alfetta both for technic and design...so it's not something new as you want to present...alfa 159 is a new reinterpretation of alfa spirit much more alfa than 75 or 156 that were really products carismatic surely but born in compromise.. alfa 159 has cues from many models of the past and ofcourse has much of the year 2000..as 1900 was an alfa of 1950 or Giulietta of 1955 or Giulia of 1962 or Alfetta of 1972...the 159 is a real alfa of 2005.. and it is the first real alfa since Alfetta...ofcourse as all cars has advantages and disadvantages nothing is perfect...but at the moment is the best car in it's segment an excellent car the new executive compact benchmark and that's something we had to see in alfa since alfetta.

156 was a carismatic car but missed the grandeur od 159...159 has both the grandeur and the carisma...and is miraculous the way can combine the best handling in segment with the best comfort between the executive compact cars...why have only something when you can have everything....


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